Warning: rambling ahead.
Marc Maron is a hero of mine in a few different ways, and I freakin’ love his podcasts. But I’d been putting off listening to his interview with Jay Bakker (a Minneapolis pastor) because I thought Jay would just be another pseudo-modern, buttery-smooth evangelical “church leader” trying to make really gross theology sound cool.
Turns out, he’s not, which was an awesome surprise. He sounds like…an okay human being. Like he’s trying to figure it out and knows he doesn’t have all the answers, but wants to do the best with what he does have.
His church is called Revolution and it meets at Bryant Lake Bowl on Sundays (although not in summer apparently). I really want to start going to it. I’m pretty fed up with the conservative Christian churches I’ve been attending all my life. I’m tired of social justice issues being ignored, I’m tired of LGBTQ issues being ignored, I’m tired of being told I’m causing lust problems by wearing yoga pants. I’m tired of not being able to trust anyone in church leadership. I’m tired of hearing pop psychology respun as truth from the mouth of God.
I hate going to church, to be honest. But I hate the thought of turning into a stereotypical unchurched Millennial even more. I still believe church can be a good thing — community for people who are trying to live the way Jesus taught, a place that reminds you what your priorities should be. But I haven’t seen a lot of that in the churches I’ve attended in the past fifteen years.
I want a church where everyone is welcome. Where a gay couple can come and feel at home, where race issues aren’t ignored. Where talking to the pastor doesn’t feel like talking to a salesman or a CEO. Where we don’t feel the need to “be cool” by setting up a DJ to spin crappy EDM in the lobby after service. Where we have Bible studies that tangle with something more intellectually substantial than Beth Moore.
Anyway, here’s the interview with Jay Bakker. You should listen to it. As Maron would say, “it’s deep, man.”